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http://travel.independent.co.uk/europe/article1868568.ece
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iolence and persecution follow the Roma across Europe
Ian Traynor in Ambrus, Slovenia
Monday November 27, 2006
Guardian Unlimited
Roma refugees at a disused army barracks once used as a shelter in Postojna, Slovenia. The Strojan family sought refuge there after being driven out of their village despite its closure last year when it was deemed unfit for human habitation. Photograph: Tina Kosec/Reuters
Miha Strojan was tending to his sick mother when the mob arrived. Wielding clubs, guns and chainsaws, several hundred villagers converged on the cottage in a clearing in the beech forest with a simple demand. "Zig raus [Gyppos out]," they called in German, deliberately echoing Nazi racist chants. "Bomb the Gypsies."
It was the last Saturday of last month, when the mob terrorised the extended family of more than 30 Roma, half of them children, into fleeing their clearing a mile over the hill from the farming village of Ambrus in eastern Slovenia.
"They were building bonfires on our land and shouting that if we don't move out, they will bomb us and crucify our children," recalls Mr Strojan, 30.
A Slovene filmmaker, Fillip Robar Dorin, present at the scene, said it reminded him of the Kristallnacht pogroms of 1938 when the Nazis rampaged against the Jews of Germany and Austria. "We would have torched the place, but we were too late. The police got there before us," bragged one Ambrus villager.
If the expulsion of the Strojans, living in Ambrus for decades and owners of the place they were living in for 12 years, was a trauma for the family, it was also an increasingly routine example of the epidemic of forced evictions of Roma settlements across the European Union, particularly in central and eastern Europe where the Roma are concentrated.
Last week in the Czech town of Vsetin police descended on a crumbling block of flats, put more than 100 Roma on lorries and dumped them in Portacabins up to 50 miles away. The mayor, Jiri Cunek, then sent in the bulldozers. "Cleaning an ulcer," he announced to local applause.
Last month in the eastern Romanian town of Tulcea, police evicted 110 Roma from where they had lived for seven years, their previous accommodation having burned down. The European Roma Rights Centre in Budapest, Hungary, says the forced evictions are not restricted to eastern Europe. It is also dealing with incidents in Britain, France, Spain and Italy.
The scandal in Ambrus occurred not in the poorest parts of Europe where such persecution is more common, but in Slovenia, the wealthiest, westernmost, and most successful of the eight new central European members. In January, Slovenia will adopt the euro.
"The case of the Strojans in Slovenia is part of a pan-European pattern at the moment," said Claude Cahn, the centre's programmes director. "It's really a crisis this year. This raw destruction of neighbourhoods is quite new."
As well as frequent forced evictions across the towns and villages of eastern Europe, Mr Cahn points to major slum clearance and urban regeneration schemes currently planned in the capital cities of southern Europe. Istanbul, Sofia in Bulgaria, and Bucharest in Romania all have ambitious reconstruction projects under way. "These can have dreadful effects, entailing the large-scale destruction of Roma housing."
In a recent study the Dzeno Association, a Prague-based Roma lobby group, noted: "The growing trend of forced evictions of Roma in Europe is becoming a human rights crisis."
The evictions underline the plight of Europe's 8 million Roma as the continent's most downtrodden minority. Subject to entrenched harassment, discrimination, and ghettoisation, the Roma are liberty's losers in the transformation wrought by recent free elections and free markets.
Last month Bulgaria's minister of health proposed compulsory abortions and criminalisation for pregnant under-18s from "minority groups", a categorisation that would affect most Roma girls. In Hungary, a mob beat a 44-year-old Roma man to death after he ran over an 11-year-old girl. A Budapest newspaper told its readers to drive off if they run over a Roma child.
Confronted with this torrent of abuse and prejudice, Europe's Roma are beginning to fight back. Getting organised politically for the first time, they are engaging in grassroots, national and regional campaigns, in some ways recalling the the black civil rights movement in the US, ranging from contesting segregation in schools, tenancy rights, legalisation of settlements to demanding political representation in local councils, national parliaments, and governments.
One trigger for the rise in Roma consciousness and activism is the EU itself. When Romania and Bulgaria expand the union to 27 countries in January, up to eight million Roma will be EU citizens, the bloc's biggest ethnic minority and a community that outnumbers the populations of at least eight EU states.
There are now two Roma MPs in the European parliament. Last month a town in Romania got its first Roma mayor and a Roma administration. In Hungary or the Czech Republic there are Roma MPs, occasional government members, scores of local councillors.
The courts are also being used to seek redress. Showing that Roma children are 27 times more likely to be dumped in remedial education classes than ethnic Czechs, Roma activists have taken the government to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg accusing Prague of deliberate segregation in schools. A similar case against Croatia has also gone to the court.
In Slovakia there is a Roma news agency. In Slovenia the Roma are to get airtime on national television. A few years ago there was one Roma councillor in Slovenia, now there are 20.
"Now in Slovenia in almost every municipality, the Roma voice can be heard," said Zoran Grm, Roma councillor for the town of Novo Mesto.
Jernej Zupancic, a geographer and Roma researcher in the Slovene captal, Ljubljana, said: "The Roma are getting organised ... They're taking more responsibility and becoming much better negotiators."
Still, it is a long-term process of small steps. "There is growing international Roma activism. A lot of progress. But is it enough to counter the pernicious determination in most places to see the Roma excluded?" asked Mr Cahn.
Outside Ambrus, the geese, chickens, and turkeys are scratching around the Strojans' hurriedly abandoned homestead. In the forest opposite, sodden mattresses, children's clothing, and old car batteries still lie under a "tent" of plastic sheeting and tree branches where the family sought refuge from the mob attack, which was apparently triggered following a violent brawl between a local man and a non-Roma man living within the Strojan compound.
In Postojna, at the other end of Slovenia, the Strojans are condemned to the squalour of a disused barracks once used as a refugee centre until it was closed last year as unfit for human habitation. There is neither heating nor hot water. They have been there for a month.
When the mob marched on the Strojans' house, the government sent in riot police and cabinet ministers. The interior minister announced an "agreement". The family had volunteered to leave.
"We left because of the pressure from the police and the people. We were afraid," says Mr Strojan.
Matjaz Hanzek, the parliament-appointed human rights ombudsman, asks: "How can an agreement be voluntary when 500 people are threatening to kill you? The state and the government did what the angry crowd wanted. They moved the people from their home. Such events are inconceivable in a state governed by the rule of law."
The Strojans tried to go home at the weekend, but did not get far. Another mob, 1,000-strong, set up roadblocks and fought with riot police. The Strojans turned back. At least two other attempts to house them elsewhere in the Ambrus district and in Ljubljana, have also foundered because of local protests. |
Veselica. Zdej cakam samo kako perlo da zavali da je to placan novinar opozicije.
(Tko kot smo pod tardecimi poslusal o propagandi sovrazne emigracije)
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| Objavljeno: 28 Nov 2006 23:27 Naslov sporočila: |
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Kaj čmo .... dober glas daleč seže, slab pa še dlje.
Pizdarija je samo v temu, da se lahko najde kak tujec, ki bo mene tudi ocenil za ksenofobično Slovenko - prosto po tistih za katere je posploševanje navada in so zanje vsi Cigani krimanalci in muslimani teroristi.
Pekel je!
Poglejte okol sebe!
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Bushi no ichigon!
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matt
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| Objavljeno: 28 Nov 2006 23:43 Naslov sporočila: |
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Jest mam prednost, da me velikrat zamesajo zarad naglasa in fizionomije s poljakom (ceprav jih postran gledajo, cefurje). 
Ampak a ves kaj je mene zmrazil? Kaj dela banda v drugih vzhodnih drzavah? Faaaak in ta govno gre not v EU!
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| Last month Bulgaria's minister of health proposed compulsory abortions and criminalisation for pregnant under-18s from "minority groups", a categorisation that would affect most Roma girls.... |
A SI TO SPLOH LAHKO PREDSTAVLJAS????? PA TEGA HITLER NI UPAL!!!!
Namesto da bi taka goveda fuknli pod embargo na nivoju severne koreje, jih pa not vlecemo!
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| Objavljeno: 28 Nov 2006 23:49 Naslov sporočila: |
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Ne, saj res ni za verjet in veš kaj- po pravici ti povem, da vsak dan bolj odštekavam, se držim zase ...
Poln k* imam že neprestanega prerekanja s tistimi, ki jim še nekateri osnovni pojmi niso jasni.
Če bom primorana ostati tu (ne pa da bom na stara leta v neki brunarici nasredi ogromnih gozdov kot si želim) si bom pa plot 3m postavila. To je edino kar še lahko naredim preden se mi total zmeša in naredim "odklop" na drugi ravni.
Norišnica je na tej strani rešetk!
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Odklop?
Hehe, jest sem ze na visokogorski kmetiji in sam teleta mi zijajo v dnevno :)
tole je bols :
Seveda vsak vecer ob kaminu en prst ...
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Odklop?
Hehe, jest sem ze na visokogorski kmetiji in sam teleta mi zijajo v dnevno :)
tole je bols :
Seveda vsak vecer ob kaminu en prst ... |
Žal. Za goske ni seno, zame pa alkohol ne.
Zamisli- popolnoma trezna prenašam ta pekel tu. Fak. Pa naj še kdo reče, da nisem iz jekla.
Sem ti pa tvoje dnevne in telet ful fouš!
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Sej jest se tud samo baham. Zadnje case pijem cajcke.
Emso, jebiga.
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Sej jest se tud samo baham. Zadnje case pijem cajcke.
Emso, jebiga. |
No, jaz nimam nič proti alkoholu kdor ga prenaša. Moj temperament pa alko je nekako tako (kot se je izrazil moj mož) kot da bi z nitroglicerinom step plesal, he, he ....
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Ko bo posekano zadnje drevo, zastrupljena zadnja reka, ulovljena zadnja riba, takrat boste spoznali, da denarja ne morete jesti!
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Hehe eni ga pocen skoz zivlejne furate 
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| Hehe eni ga pocen skoz zivlejne furate |
To pa, to
P.S. Čeprav ... tebe  še vedno čaka ...al moram Chivasa nabavit?
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Chivas je samo za turiste 
Evo blubm da se prlimam enkrat nasledn let .. matrnu, drgac bo rok trajanja tistmu piru potekel!
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Chivas je samo za turiste
Evo blubm da se prlimam enkrat nasledn let .. matrnu, drgac bo rok trajanja tistmu piru potekel! |
Piru ne- meni 
Si me pa zdaj napizdu ne ... zdaj pa že komaj čakam nasledn let, heh.
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Uf .. ta je bla pa huda!
Bom se pojoco travco sabo prnesu.
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Uf .. ta je bla pa huda!
Bom se pojoco travco sabo prnesu. |
Še to ja .... sam če boš daleč stran od mene pihal ... ker drugače pri mojem načinu življenja jaz kar zraven travce zavibriram in potem lahko sledijo neprijetna vprašanja, he, he ....
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Nae bother lass.
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