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enzrovt · Pridružen/-a: 18.03. 2008, 20:14 Prispevkov: 4154

OK, poskusal ti bom po spominu ponoviti, kaj mi je tisti model rekel (ie ze precej casa od tega):

"a ti res mislis, da bi nas (kitajski) rezim upal sfurat pizdarijo takega kalibra, ce ne bi imel tihe podpore molcece vecine? mi smo star narod, v tisoc letih se nismo od konfucija premaknili nikamor - tudi partija se striktno drzi teh tradicij. Za povprecnega kitajca so bili tisti studenti tujek, uzurpacija tradicionalnih vrednot, jebiga."

Mislim, da je se zamrmral v brado, da si ni on zmislu tega sveta in zvrnil se ostanek vodke. Vsaj kolkr se jest spomnim.

Zdej da bo slo v tvojo tupo glavo kaj je men tle oci odprlo .. moral bi mogoce lego kocke prvlect za demonstracijo, kaj jest vem ... itak si prebutast za karkoli.

Comp · Pridružen/-a: 10.11. 2006, 18:49 Prispevkov: 3245

marmije · Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 18:21 Prispevkov: 7222

In 1953 Chairman Mao wrote:

"The present-day capitalist economy in China is a capitalist economy which for the most part is under the control of the People's Government and which is linked with the state-owned socialist economy in various forms and supervised by the workers. It is not an ordinary but a particular kind of capitalist economy, namely, a state-capitalist economy of a new type. It exists not chiefly to make profits for the capitalists but to meet the needs of the people and the state. True, a share of the profits produced by the workers goes to the capitalists, but that is only a small part, about one quarter, of the total. The remaining three quarters are produced for the workers (in the form of the welfare fund), for the state (in the form of income tax) and for expanding productive capacity (a small part of which produces profits for the capitalists). Therefore, this state-capitalist economy of a new type takes on a socialist character to a very great extent and benefits the workers and the state."
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marmije · Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 18:21 Prispevkov: 7222

--- Chinese Boxers being beheaded under the supervision of Western forces --- btw --- Tudi "komunisticna ", Kitajska je samo posledica iskoriscevalskih in morilskih hord, ki so prihrumele z zahoda ... Kot se marsikje drugje....
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mala malca · Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 04:56 Prispevkov: 17767

mala malca · Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 04:56 Prispevkov: 17767

marmije · Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 18:21 Prispevkov: 7222

Chinese Civil War

At the end of the war, the Americans tried to mediate between the two Chinese leaders.

The American efforts failed and the civil war resumed in l947.

The Kuomintang controlled the urban centres while the Communists held much of the rural areas.
The Kuomintang received considerable American military assistance.
By early 1949, Mao had control of Northern China and advanced on the capital.
Chiang's armies collapsed and the remnants of the Kuomintang army fled to the island of Taiwan.
On October 1, 1949, Mao proclaimed the People's Republic of China.
Now the most populated nation in the world was under communist control.

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marmije · Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 18:21 Prispevkov: 7222

In 1800, the per-capita standard of living in China exceeded that of Europe. Like India, China did not need or want Britain's products. However, Britain consumed large quantities of Chinese tea and, to avoid the loss of Britain's gold, it was imperative that something else be traded. Though it was done covertly and not acknowledged by the British government, it became official policy for British merchants to peddle opium to China. Opium [sold to China] was no hole-in-the-corner petty smuggling trade but probably the largest commerce of the time in any single commodity . This injustice was challenged by Chinese authorities (the Boxer Rebellion) but their attempt to maintain sovereignty was put down by a combined force of 20,000 British, French, Japanese, German, and United States troops (5,000 were Americans) led by a German general. It was a blatant attempt to carve up China between those imperial-centers-of-capital .

With the sales of opium exceeding the purchases of tea, Britain lost neither gold nor currency. Their capital and labor costs involved only an internal circulation of money. No wealth was lost to another society, which is the essence of a successful mercantilist policy. This appears productive only because the wealth gained or protected by Britain was considered; the much greater losses suffered by China, India, and much of the world were conveniently left uncalculated.

While the imperial-centers-of-capital were battling each other in WWII, China was laying its base for economic freedom. Although it is little known to Americans, after the war United States troops were guarding key rail lines and ports for the collapsing Chinese government and the OSS, precursor to the CIA, was busy ferrying Chiang Kai-shek's troops back and forth across China to suppress that revolution. However, China did break free in 1949, was marginalized for years by the imperial nations, yet still built a modest industrial capacity, and—by moving under the same protectionist umbrella as Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea—eventually averaged production gains of well over 10% a year."
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marmije · Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 18:21 Prispevkov: 7222

Tole je pa direkt za Janija.... " Throughout World War II, even though the Kuomintang were fighting against the Japanese invaders, they were still receiving aid from Nazi Germany, and in fact they also got aid from the USSR and America as well. They were playing all sides of the coin, getting aid from the Nazis to fight against the Communists, and getting aid from the USSR to fight against Japan. America was aiding them to fight both the Japanese and the Communists. There were repeated attempts by Americans, such as James Forrestal of Standard Oil and Allen Dulles, to get Chiang Kai-Shek to stop all fighting against the Japanese and instead focus all of their efforts against Mao's forces. The Kuomintang did do this to an extent, hoping that the Communists would be weakened by the attacks on the Japanese, however the opposite was actually the case. The top Kuomintang General, Tai Li, acknowledged during the war that Heinrich Himmler was his role model.

During the Second World War the Communist forces of Mao proved to be a superior fighting force and did most of the defending against the Japanese invaders, which not only brought them more support from the Chinese population, but more experience, loot, and territory as well.

The situation in China during WWII was very complex. It was a many sided war that was taking place in the middle of a civil war and international foreign invasion from all sides. Nazi, Russian, Japanese, and American forces were all fighting to try and take control of parts of China during WWII and were all using Chiang Kai-Shek and other warlords as their way to try and obtain that control. China sustained the second highest number of casualties during World War II after the Soviet Union. Over 11 million people were killed in China during the war
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enzrovt · Pridružen/-a: 18.03. 2008, 20:14 Prispevkov: 4154

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