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PrispevekObjavljeno: 04 Mar 2007 04:22    Naslov sporočila: tole tud nauš najbolj zastopu.. Odgovori s citatom

matt je napisal/a:
mala malca je napisal/a:

Ce reces, da nekaj ne obstaja, potem bi maj gest, definiraj neobjekt o katerem govorimo in potem definiraj njegove neatribute in nedokazi nelastnistvo njegovih neinterakcij z okoljem (ozirama izoliraj te neinterakcije od ze obstojecega sistema), pol se gremo pa lahko nazigat!!!

mato,pust to...je preveč za tvoje možgančke...


Brez veze .. ce ti osnove logike niso jasne, nimamo kej.

Bistvo problema je, da obstoj ni bipol. Nima nasprotja, pac pa nevtralno tocko. Sam za razumevane tegabi moral dat mal algebre skoz.

Ce povem drugace: inverzija obstoja je se vedno obstoj. Zato ne-objekt ne more ne-obstajati.


Saj naravoslovja tudi ne moreš dokazat. Fizika lahko poskuša, meri (z Ampermetrom), vaga itd. Ne more pa narediti poskusa o sebi.

miki,lajf ni O pa 1..
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mala malca je napisal/a:

Saj naravoslovja tudi ne moreš dokazat. Fizika lahko poskuša, meri (z Ampermetrom), vaga itd. Ne more pa narediti poskusa o sebi.

miki,lajf ni O pa 1..


Zakaj pa potem ti to pocnes?
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Pascalova stava: stavi da bog je. Če ga ni, nimaš kaj izgubiti, če pa je, lahko pridobiš vse.
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Všeč mi je tudi argument Descartesa, on pravi, da je popolnejše bivati kot ne bivati. Če temu oporekate, pa bi vas vprašal, zakaj niste danes storili samomora

In Bog, ker je popoln, biva.


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A LETTER FROM GOD TO YOU

This letter is many Bible Promises from God to you. Read the Bible as if was written to you because it was.

To My precious child:

Because I knew even before I created the earth that you would accept My love for you, and that you would seek to know Me thus…

In the beginning I created the heavens and the earth. Then at the right time and in the right place I created you. I created your inner most being, I created every part of you, I knit you together in your mother's womb. You were carefully and wonderfully made; my works are wonderful, and you My precious child are my work. My eyes saw your unformed body. All the days planned for you were written in my book before one of them came to be. How precious are my thoughts for you, How great is the number of them! If you were to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand.

Listen to me, My precious child; I created you and have cared for you since before you were born. I will be your God throughout your lifetime, until your hair is white with age. I made you, and I will care for you. I will carry you along and save you. I will carry you in my arms, holding you close to my heart. For I know the plans that I have for you plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

My precious child there are some times of suffering in your life. But the temporary suffering of this life does not compare to the glory that shall be revealed in you. Know this that I am with you and I will help you. Your help comes from me, I am the God who created the heavens and the earth, and the one who created you. I will never leave you, I will never reject you. When your parents fail you I will pick you up, hold you close, and adopt you. Nothing can ever separate you from my love for you. When you are in trouble and distress my love is with you. When you are persecuted my love is with you. When you are hungry and cold and naked my love is with you, I am always with you. When you are in danger and threatened with death my love is with you, I will be with you forever.

My precious child know that nothing can separate you from my love, no matter how high you go, no matter how deep you sink, nothing in life and not even death can separate you from Me, and My love for you. No demon or any other power in hell can separate you from my love. My love for you is revealed through Christ Jesus your Lord. In all things and every situation you will have victory, you will conquer, because the victory of Christ Jesus is your victory.

But now, My precious child, I the LORD, who created you and formed you, says: Do not be afraid, for I have purchased you. I have called you by name; you are mine. When you go through deep waters and great trouble, I will be with you. When you go through rivers of difficulty, they will not over flow you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned. I command you to be strong and courageous! Do not be afraid; do not be dismayed, for I, the LORD your God will be with you everywhere you go.

My precious child, know that everything will work together for your good, because you love me. You have been called according to my purpose. For I knew you before you were born and I predestined you to be conformed to the likeness of my Son, Jesus Christ. This is your destiny, and this is your purpose, that you become one with my Son Jesus, and thus one with me. I created you in my image so that you and I can express love to each other. The most intimate relationship you can have is with me because you and I are becoming one. You and your brothers and sisters that believe in me are becoming one with Jesus, and thus one with me. You in me, and me in you, together, unified by my love for you. You were designed for this purpose, nothing else will ever satisfy your deepest needs, your deepest desires, only I can. Because you seek to know me I satisfy your heart with love, joy, and peace that only I can give you.

My precious child if you should forget me, and enter into sin, and not turn back to Me on your own then I will punish you. Because your sin will separate you from feeling My presence, and My influence, and I want you to return to your first love, the One who loves you. I the Lord discipline those I love, and I punish everyone who I accept as my child. Just as a good Father disciplines His children to turn them away from a dangerous path, so I shall discipline you for your good, that you may share in My holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

My precious child, When you confess your sins, I am faithful and just and will forgive you of your sins and cleanse you from all unrighteousness. In repentance and resting in Me is your salvation, in quietness and trusting Me is your strength. I will create in you a clean heart and renew a right spirit within you. I will not send you away from My presence, and I will not take My Holy Spirit from you. I will restore again the joy of your salvation, and make you willing to obey Me. Then you will teach My ways to sinners, and they will return to Me also. Humble yourself, therefore, under My mighty hand, that I may lift you up at the right time.

My precious child do not forget all my benefits, I forgive all your sins and heal all your diseases, I rescue your life from the pit of destruction and crown you with love and compassion. I satisfy your desires with good things so that your youth is renewed like the eagles. I The LORD work righteousness and justice for all the oppressed; I The LORD am compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love. I will not always accuse, nor will I harbor my anger forever; I do not treat you as your sins deserve or repay you according to your iniquities. For as high as the heavens are above the earth, so great is My love for you because you fear Me; as far as the east is from the west, so far have I removed your transgressions from you.

My precious child, call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know. Always pray to Me about your every concern, pray from your mouth and pray from your heart, I hear every thought that you think. Everything that you care about, I care about also because it concerns you. Cast all your cares and anxiety on Me because I love you. Trust in Me, the LORD YOUR GOD, with all your heart, do not depend on your own understanding; In everything acknowledge Me, And I will direct your paths. Do not worry about anything, but in everything big or small, by prayer, with thanksgiving, present your requests to Me, the Most High God. And I will give you My peace in your heart, peace that is beyond all human understanding, and it will guard your heart and your mind in Christ Jesus. Always be joyful. Keep on praying always. No matter what happens, always be thankful, for this is My will for you because you belong to Me.

My precious child, Study My Book of law and truth, the Holy Bible, do not let My words depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful. My words are Spirit and they are Life. If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you will, and it will be given you. For the word of God is living and powerful. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. The most important thing you will ever own is your Bible because it gives you knowledge of Me, The Most High God. It makes the poor rich, it gives hope to the hopeless, faith to the fearful, food to the hungry, water to the thirsty, love to the despised, comfort to the lonely, freedom to the prisoner, health to the sick, light in the darkness, and life to the dying.

My precious child I have set up circumstances and situations in your life to cause you to seek Me and find Me. I desire that you know Me. I am The Lord your God, full of compassion, and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness. Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, Let not the mighty man glory in his might, Nor let the rich man glory in his riches; But My precious child glory in this, That you understand and know Me, That I am the LORD, exercising compassion, lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness in the earth. For in these I delight and take pleasure.

All things are created for My pleasure and My pleasure is to show forth loving compassion. I have compassion on the poor and needy, and I am a Father to the fatherless, I help them, and I defend them. Far below Me are the heavens and the earth, I stoop to look down, and I lift the poor from the dirt and the needy from the garbage dump and I set them among princes. My precious child I want you to do these things also, have compassion on the poor and needy and help them, this is what it means to know Me. For I am Love, and when you live in love, you live in Me, and I live in you. Loving compassion is good, and this is what I require from you, to do what is right, to love compassion, and to walk humbly with your God.

As a father has compassion on his children, so I your LORD have compassion on you because you fear Me; for I know how you were formed, I remember that you are dust. Forever and ever My love is with you because you fear Me, and My righteousness with your children's children; with those who keep My covenant and remember to obey My laws. My law is to love. You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments all of My laws are based. When you walk in love you are obeying all My laws. When you walk in Love you are walking in My Holy Spirit for I AM LOVE!

My precious child come and live in My shelter, in the protection of the Most High God, you will find rest in the presence of the Almighty. You will say, "This I declare of the LORD: He alone is my refuge, my place of safety; he is my God, and I am trusting him." My precious child I will rescue you from every trap and protect you from the fatal plague. I will shield you with My wings. I will shelter you with My feathers. My faithful promises are your armor and protection. Do not be afraid of the terrors of the night, nor fear the dangers of the day, nor dread the plague that stalks in darkness, nor the disaster that strikes at midday. Though a thousand fall at your side, though ten thousand are dying around you, these evils will not touch you. But you will see it with your eyes; you will see how the wicked are punished.

Because you My precious child make the LORD your refuge, because you make the Most High your shelter, no evil will conquer you; no plague will come near your dwelling. For I order My angels to protect you wherever you go. They will hold you with their hands to keep you from striking your foot on a stone. You will trample down lions and poisonous snakes; you will crush fierce lions and serpents under your feet!

My precious child, My servant, and My friend, whom I have chosen, I have chosen you and have not rejected you. So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will hold you up with my righteous right hand. All who come against you will surely be ashamed and disgraced; those who oppose you will be as nothing and perish. Though you search for your enemies, you will not find them. Those who wage war against you will be as nothing at all. For I am the LORD, your God, who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, do not fear; I will help you. Do not be afraid, for I myself will help you declares the LORD, your Redeemer. You will rejoice in the LORD and glory in the Holy One of Israel.

My precious child, when you asked Me to forgive your sins and come into your heart I sent My Holy Spirit into you to comfort you, to give you power, and as proof to you that I have adopted you as My child. The Holy Spirit shall lead you into all truth because He shall testify of Jesus, and He will give you power to testify of Jesus. I will speak to you through My Holy Spirit that is in you, He will tell you what is right and wrong, what is love and hate. My Holy Spirit is a gentle whisper inside your heart telling you the path to walk in. If you walk in My Spirit you will walk in love, you will not sin. And you will see great and mighty things happen before you, they will not be accomplished by strength, nor by outside force, but by My Spirit says the LORD ALMIGHTY. Through My Holy Spirit I shall give you supernatural gifts that you may be blessed, and that you shall bless others through demonstrating My love for them. My Holy Spirit will be with you through out your whole life, and after I will receive you into My glory.

I your LORD say to you I will rescue you because you love me. I will protect you because you trust in my name. When you call on me, I will answer; I will be with you in trouble. I will rescue you and honor you. I will satisfy you with a long life and give you my salvation. Call upon Me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you, and you shall glorify Me. It is your destiny.





Thus Says THE LORD Your GOD !



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PrispevekObjavljeno: 04 Mar 2007 04:49    Naslov sporočila: Odgovori s citatom

O pascalu lahko razpredamo ure .. moje mnenje je, da je taka jebivetarska izjava njemu v sramoto.

To kar descartes pravi, sem v prejsnjem postu probal dopovedat. Obstoj in neobstoj NISTA nasprotni stanji. V bistvu sploh nista primerljivi.

Zadnji stavek je pa traparija. Izhajas iz predpostavke (da bica), ki jo privzames za aksiom.

Problem je v tem, da iz napacne predpostavke vsaka trditev, ki sledi, je pravilna. Ce parafraziram pascala, ce lazes, se ne mores motiti Pomezik
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matt je napisal/a:
O pascalu lahko razpredamo ure .. moje mnenje je, da je taka jebivetarska izjava njemu v sramoto.

To kar descartes pravi, sem v prejsnjem postu probal dopovedat. Obstoj in neobstoj NISTA nasprotni stanji. V bistvu sploh nista primerljivi.

Zadnji stavek je pa traparija. Izhajas iz predpostavke (da bica), ki jo privzames za aksiom.

Problem je v tem, da iz napacne predpostavke vsaka trditev, ki sledi, je pravilna. Ce parafraziram pascala, ce lazes, se ne mores motiti Pomezik


mislim da je pascal še kr neki takih prjavu...

For after all what is man in nature? A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either. The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret. He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed

When Pascal was back in Paris just after overseeing the publication of the last Letter, his religion was reinforced by the close association to an apparent miracle in the chapel of the Port-Royal nunnery. His 10-year-old niece, Marguerite Périer, was suffering from a painful fistula lacrymalis that exuded noisome pus through her eyes and nose—an affliction the doctors pronounced hopeless. Then, on March 24, 1657, a believer presented to Port-Royal what he and others claimed to be a thorn from the crown that had tortured Christ. The nuns, in solemn ceremony and singing psalms, placed the thorn on their altar. Each in turn kissed the relic, and one of them, seeing Marguerite among the worshipers, took the thorn and with it touched the girl's sore. That evening, we are told, Marguerite expressed surprise that her eye no longer pained her; her mother was astonished to find no sign of the fistula; a physician, summoned, reported that the discharge and swelling had disappeared. He, not the nuns, spread word of what he termed a miraculous cure. Seven other physicians who had had previous knowledge of Marguerite's fistula signed a statement that in their judgment a miracle had taken place. The diocesan officials investigated, came to the same conclusion, and authorized a Te Deum Mass in Port-Royal

a res miš das pametnejši kot pascal?preber si Misli
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Zdravo

mala malca je napisal/a:

ne štekaš...pa sej ni prvič Shame on you ti veruješ da boga ni...in kokrkol obrneš je to vera..tko kot moja Dancing


Vem, da ga ni.

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Zdravo

mala malca je napisal/a:

strune so bile vokalni tercet,osel...

tud te strune so samo vera,nič dokazljivega...


Ali razumeš o čem se meniva?

No naj ti bo - zaenkrat so strune samo še v teoriji, praktični (posredni) dokazi bodo možni šele z novim pospeševalnikom v CERNU.

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Zdravo

mala malca je napisal/a:

Verovati bolj pomeni, da si vzameš neobstoj Boga za življensko berglo, na katero se opiraš, ko ti zmanjka samozavesti, pa tudi lastne pameti.

Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall


Janči tipična izjava vernika. Ne drži.

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In se moj pripis:

... and if there's a vicious god (e.g. the asshole moses talked about), you're fucked anyway.



Ampak, se vedno bluzimo o nedolocenem.
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velikilustrator je napisal/a:
Zdravo

mala malca je napisal/a:

ne štekaš...pa sej ni prvič Shame on you ti veruješ da boga ni...in kokrkol obrneš je to vera..tko kot moja Dancing


Vem, da ga ni.

VL


no,jaz pa vem da je....in sedaj?kakšna je razlika med nama?mende me ne boš diskriminiral? Dancing
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Zdravo

mala malca je napisal/a:


no,jaz pa vem da je....in sedaj?kakšna je razlika med nama?mende me ne boš diskriminiral? Dancing


Ne bom te, ampak dokler ne dokažeš, da je, tako dolgo te ne bom upošteval. Saj nekaj podobnega ti poskuša razložit Matt.

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velikilustrator je napisal/a:
Zdravo

mala malca je napisal/a:


no,jaz pa vem da je....in sedaj?kakšna je razlika med nama?mende me ne boš diskriminiral? Dancing


Ne bom te, ampak dokler ne dokažeš, da je, tako dolgo te ne bom upošteval. Saj nekaj podobnega ti poskuša razložit Matt.

VL


in obratno... Brick wall
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