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Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 18:21
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proti temu .. http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/119905 -- in dodajam, da nameravajo Rusi, do sredine tega leta, namestiti, nove antibalistične sisteme - S-400, okoli Moskve...
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Pridružen/-a: 04.11. 2006, 15:41
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Pričenja se druga hladna vojna. Tokrat so jo začeli ________ !
Na črtice si vpišite ime države, ki vam najbolj ustreza.    
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Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 23:51
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Hih? sej se s taprva ni nkol koncala .. sam kolektivca so mel ...
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Pridružen/-a: 21.11. 2006, 15:19
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| Objavljeno: 23 Mar 2007 21:10 Naslov sporočila: Re: Iran, je samo pocvitanje... |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6484279.stm
"Fifteen British Navy personnel have been captured at gunpoint by Iranian forces, the Ministry of Defence says."
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Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 18:21
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--hja -- ce bi tehle 15 Britanckov patruljiral, po Temzi, ne bi bilo, po moje nobenih problemov... 
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Pridružen/-a: 21.11. 2006, 15:19
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| --hja -- ce bi tehle 15 Britanckov patruljiral, po Temzi, ne bi bilo, po moje nobenih problemov... |
Ampak pazi, kako takojšen je odziv:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6485529.stm
"Oil prices have risen to their highest level this year after 15 British Navy personnel were seized at gunpoint by Iranian forces in the Gulf."
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Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 18:21
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| --hja -- ce bi tehle 15 Britanckov patruljiral, po Temzi, ne bi bilo, po moje nobenih problemov... |
Ampak pazi, kako takojšen je odziv:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6485529.stm
"Oil prices have risen to their highest level this year after 15 British Navy personnel were seized at gunpoint by Iranian forces in the Gulf."
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--hja -- globalnim naftnim, spekulantom, pride prav vsaka novica, zaradi katere, pritece v njihove zepe vecji dobicek --- vcasih, ob pomanjkanju, kaksne take cvetke, kar sproducirajo, kaksno --- drugace, pa razen posledicnih spekulacij, med tema dvema novicama ni realne povezave...
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Pridružen/-a: 06.11. 2006, 23:12
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6484279.stm
"Fifteen British Navy personnel have been captured at gunpoint by Iranian forces, the Ministry of Defence says."
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Ma ja ziher so bili tile vojščaki v Iraških teritorialnih vodah, tko kot una dva Izraelska rambota v Izraelu, ali pa tako kot je bil USS Vincennes v mednarodnih vodah, ko je sestrelil Flight 655.
Skratka prav provocirajo tile reveži, da jih USA spravi k pameti.
(vse skupaj je sarkazem, da ne bo pomote)
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Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 23:51
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Dober komentar ravnokar na Sky news:
Iranu je dovolj .. hoce pokazat, da je "major player in the region", te pa lutka s katero lahko pometajo. In je jasno sel na quick&easy wins.
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Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 18:21
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Dober komentar ravnokar na Sky news:
Iranu je dovolj .. hoce pokazat, da je "major player in the region", te pa lutka s katero lahko pometajo. In je jasno sel na quick&easy wins. |
--saj to je bistvo celega bližnjega vzhoda -- kdo, je sposoben uveljavljati lastne interese -- Iran, je velika država, ima nafto, vodo, uran, ljudi in zgodovino, je precej homogen in strateško, najbolj pomemben teritorij, daleč naokoli.... in ne samo to -- Iran ima tudi dolgoročno, najmočnejše zaveznike ( velesile, za l. 2050 ) --- BRIC....tako, da mora pokazati zobe in kazal jih bo še mnogo bolj....
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I think all of us are aware that there is a considerable Naval build up in the Persian Gulf, that Patriot missiles are currently being shipped to the Middle East to "protect friendly Arab nations" , that additional troops are being deployed to Iraq and that the media is rife with "The Iranian Nuclear Threat", despite unbiased research that this is not an imminent threat and that Iran will need civilian nuclear power to offset declining oil production if it is to remain a modern civilized nation. The air is thick with rumors of impending attack and there is speculation that orders have already been given.
It also is apparent that Israel will take the initiative to attack Iran if America fails to do so and there is some evidence that they have already been thwarted by the US in actually carrying out a nuclear attack. Many analysts and think tanks are busy predicting the outcome of such an attack as evidenced by the recent report issued by ING.
While this attack on Iran is clearly being contemplated by the US and Israel as serving in the interests of dollar hegemony and control of the entire Middle Eastern oil reserves might there not be other forces at work?? Might the US and Israel be the victims of an elaborate trap designed to destroy argueably the most dangerous power alignment to ever threaten the Earth?? Could this possibly be true?? Lets examine geopolitical events of late from this perspective.
First lets understand the ramifications of the coalition that Putin is forming between India, China, Russia and Brazil. This will reshape the United Nations. Russia and China are permanent members of the security council, India and Brazil are soon perhaps to be. This coalition has three fourths of the worlds population, the largest amount of natural resources, and the largest pool of technical and scientific talent. Note also that in 2004 the IAEA issued Brazil a permit to commence the experimental stage of uranium enrichment.
This is far from the whole picture as the coalition automatically includes the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), which is presently comprised of China, Russia, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, and Iran.
Then there was the announcement of a China-Kazakhstan pipeline agreement, worth $3.5 billion dollars and then the signing of a huge natgas deal between Beijing and Tehran worth $100 billion. This entails the annual export of some 10 million tons of Iranian liquefied natural gas (LNG) for a 25-year period, as well as granting to China's state oil company participation in such projects as exploration and drilling, industries, pipelines, services and the like.
It should be clear that this deal puts Iran firmly under China's protection, because any US attack on Iran will impact directly on Chinese National Security by severing its energy resources. It should alos be noted that Iran has full membership in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), and overall protection by the Russian-Chinese Axis. Perhaps this explains the recent and very publicised test of a Chinese anti satelite system??
I dont think anyone has any doubts of the importance of Middle Eastern and Caspian Basin oil to the continuance of US economic and military dominance, but what makes us think that the coalition led by Russia and China is impotent? Lets look at the non nuclear conventional weapons balance and possible stategies of this coalition.
Onyx and Sunburn missiles. These are manufactured in Russia and India, and thousands have been sold to China and Iran. Nuclear capable, mach 2+, flying 20 feet of the surface they are capable of destroying any target within a distance of 250 kms. The US or its allies have no countermeasures. The kinetic energy combined with a small conventional charge is more than enough to sink a carrier. These missiles can be launched from quad tubes on ships, singly from 40' flatbed trucks or fighter aircraft. These missles are widely dispersed in Iran. They are considered "the most dangerous missile in the world" by US military planners.
S-300 anti air missiles. Both Iran and Syria have recently been equipped with the very latest version of this missile, the S-300PMU-2. The range of this missile is in excess of 125 miles, with the ability to acquire and kill targets flying as low as 30 feet. The Russians routinely shoot down random target drones travelling at 5,800 feet per second, and further claim the weapon is easily capable of destroying targets approaching at up to 15,500 feet per second, or Mach 14. Many experts credit this missile as the finest anti air missile in existence. It is rumored to be able to sniff out and destroy a B-2 stealth bomber
Cruise missiles. Ukrainian arms dealers smuggled 18 nuclear-capable cruise missiles to Iran and China in 1999-2001 according to Ukraine's prosecutor-general. The Soviet-era Kh-55 missiles - also known as X-55s - have a maximum range of 2,500km (1,550 miles).
It should be clear by now that a conventional bombing attack on Iran could be disasterous and that the Russian-Chinese coalition means business and has already outmanouvered the US and its allies in the future exploitation of the Caspian Basin reserves. What is in contention now is the future of the Middle East. America risks loss of not only its current supplies from the Middle East from an Iran bombing campaign, which would likely be at least temporarily be disrupted in a wider conflageration, but also the loss of its Gulf of Mexico oil and onshore refining capability.
Unmentioned til now is Hugo Chavez, and Venezuela. Russia has supplied Hugo with 55 Mig29SMTs, Russias latest air superiority fighter. These are equipted with the latest Russian plasma stealth system and also equipted to fire the latest generation of Onyx missiles, and intelligence sources report that Hugo is in possesion of at least 40 of these missiles. They are based in Venezuela and Cuba. In less than 30 minutes every major US Gulf of Mexico oil platform and oil refinery could be destroyed, with no warning.
The loss or disruption of the current Middle Eastern and Venezuelean oil imports combined with the loss of our Gulf oil and onshore refining capability would collapse the US within 60 days, without the use of any nuclear weapons. It seems evident this is the Russian-Chinese coalition general plan.
America has been manouvered into a position where it can no longer gain an ever increasing share of oil resources and maintain dollar hegemony without executing an Iranian attack. America is faced with the prospect of gradual loss of economic and military might, or risking a potentially catastrophic attack, an attack that Israel is determined to execute wether or not supported by the US.
The only way out of this scenario is for the US to use nuclear weapons, testing the resolve of the rest of the world to retaliate. The ultimate game of chicken. I hesitate to predict how this scenario would play out... |
Bo se hecno ..
(doomsday je pa itak pred vrati, kamena doba se zacne leta 2008 - http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net )
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mala malca
Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 04:56
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Dober komentar ravnokar na Sky news:
Iranu je dovolj .. hoce pokazat, da je "major player in the region", te pa lutka s katero lahko pometajo. In je jasno sel na quick&easy wins. |
--saj to je bistvo celega bližnjega vzhoda -- kdo, je sposoben uveljavljati lastne interese -- Iran, je velika država, ima nafto, vodo, uran, ljudi in zgodovino, je precej homogen in strateško, najbolj pomemben teritorij, daleč naokoli.... in ne samo to -- Iran ima tudi dolgoročno, najmočnejše zaveznike ( velesile, za l. 2050 ) --- BRIC....tako, da mora pokazati zobe in kazal jih bo še mnogo bolj.... |
to da je fašistična in teokratska te niti ne gane....važn da kao zajebavajo zahod
čeb se pa ena španija šla kj podobnga bi pa skaku do stropa....
če to ni hinavščina.... 
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Hja,prjatu,če bi ti jaz povedu kako je v Rusiji ,bi bil ti na drugi strani,bi bili naš sovražnik,te sedaj ne bi bilo...
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mala malca
Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 04:56
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Se eno razmisljanje (vir: www.peakoil.com):
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I think all of us are aware that there is a considerable Naval build up in the Persian Gulf, that Patriot missiles are currently being shipped to the Middle East to "protect friendly Arab nations" , that additional troops are being deployed to Iraq and that the media is rife with "The Iranian Nuclear Threat", despite unbiased research that this is not an imminent threat and that Iran will need civilian nuclear power to offset declining oil production if it is to remain a modern civilized nation. The air is thick with rumors of impending attack and there is speculation that orders have already been given.
It also is apparent that Israel will take the initiative to attack Iran if America fails to do so and there is some evidence that they have already been thwarted by the US in actually carrying out a nuclear attack. Many analysts and think tanks are busy predicting the outcome of such an attack as evidenced by the recent report issued by ING.
While this attack on Iran is clearly being contemplated by the US and Israel as serving in the interests of dollar hegemony and control of the entire Middle Eastern oil reserves might there not be other forces at work?? Might the US and Israel be the victims of an elaborate trap designed to destroy argueably the most dangerous power alignment to ever threaten the Earth?? Could this possibly be true?? Lets examine geopolitical events of late from this perspective.
First lets understand the ramifications of the coalition that Putin is forming between India, China, Russia and Brazil. This will reshape the United Nations. Russia and China are permanent members of the security council, India and Brazil are soon perhaps to be. This coalition has three fourths of the worlds population, the largest amount of natural resources, and the largest pool of technical and scientific talent. Note also that in 2004 the IAEA issued Brazil a permit to commence the experimental stage of uranium enrichment.
This is far from the whole picture as the coalition automatically includes the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), which is presently comprised of China, Russia, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, and Iran.
Then there was the announcement of a China-Kazakhstan pipeline agreement, worth $3.5 billion dollars and then the signing of a huge natgas deal between Beijing and Tehran worth $100 billion. This entails the annual export of some 10 million tons of Iranian liquefied natural gas (LNG) for a 25-year period, as well as granting to China's state oil company participation in such projects as exploration and drilling, industries, pipelines, services and the like.
It should be clear that this deal puts Iran firmly under China's protection, because any US attack on Iran will impact directly on Chinese National Security by severing its energy resources. It should alos be noted that Iran has full membership in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), and overall protection by the Russian-Chinese Axis. Perhaps this explains the recent and very publicised test of a Chinese anti satelite system??
I dont think anyone has any doubts of the importance of Middle Eastern and Caspian Basin oil to the continuance of US economic and military dominance, but what makes us think that the coalition led by Russia and China is impotent? Lets look at the non nuclear conventional weapons balance and possible stategies of this coalition.
Onyx and Sunburn missiles. These are manufactured in Russia and India, and thousands have been sold to China and Iran. Nuclear capable, mach 2+, flying 20 feet of the surface they are capable of destroying any target within a distance of 250 kms. The US or its allies have no countermeasures. The kinetic energy combined with a small conventional charge is more than enough to sink a carrier. These missiles can be launched from quad tubes on ships, singly from 40' flatbed trucks or fighter aircraft. These missles are widely dispersed in Iran. They are considered "the most dangerous missile in the world" by US military planners.
S-300 anti air missiles. Both Iran and Syria have recently been equipped with the very latest version of this missile, the S-300PMU-2. The range of this missile is in excess of 125 miles, with the ability to acquire and kill targets flying as low as 30 feet. The Russians routinely shoot down random target drones travelling at 5,800 feet per second, and further claim the weapon is easily capable of destroying targets approaching at up to 15,500 feet per second, or Mach 14. Many experts credit this missile as the finest anti air missile in existence. It is rumored to be able to sniff out and destroy a B-2 stealth bomber
Cruise missiles. Ukrainian arms dealers smuggled 18 nuclear-capable cruise missiles to Iran and China in 1999-2001 according to Ukraine's prosecutor-general. The Soviet-era Kh-55 missiles - also known as X-55s - have a maximum range of 2,500km (1,550 miles).
It should be clear by now that a conventional bombing attack on Iran could be disasterous and that the Russian-Chinese coalition means business and has already outmanouvered the US and its allies in the future exploitation of the Caspian Basin reserves. What is in contention now is the future of the Middle East. America risks loss of not only its current supplies from the Middle East from an Iran bombing campaign, which would likely be at least temporarily be disrupted in a wider conflageration, but also the loss of its Gulf of Mexico oil and onshore refining capability.
Unmentioned til now is Hugo Chavez, and Venezuela. Russia has supplied Hugo with 55 Mig29SMTs, Russias latest air superiority fighter. These are equipted with the latest Russian plasma stealth system and also equipted to fire the latest generation of Onyx missiles, and intelligence sources report that Hugo is in possesion of at least 40 of these missiles. They are based in Venezuela and Cuba. In less than 30 minutes every major US Gulf of Mexico oil platform and oil refinery could be destroyed, with no warning.
The loss or disruption of the current Middle Eastern and Venezuelean oil imports combined with the loss of our Gulf oil and onshore refining capability would collapse the US within 60 days, without the use of any nuclear weapons. It seems evident this is the Russian-Chinese coalition general plan.
America has been manouvered into a position where it can no longer gain an ever increasing share of oil resources and maintain dollar hegemony without executing an Iranian attack. America is faced with the prospect of gradual loss of economic and military might, or risking a potentially catastrophic attack, an attack that Israel is determined to execute wether or not supported by the US.
The only way out of this scenario is for the US to use nuclear weapons, testing the resolve of the rest of the world to retaliate. The ultimate game of chicken. I hesitate to predict how this scenario would play out... |
Bo se hecno ..
(doomsday je pa itak pred vrati, kamena doba se zacne leta 2008 - http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net ) |
v bistvu je že hecen...k vas berem(vas,ljubitelje konca človeštva in zaljubljence v totalitarizem) se smejim k norc...prav pomilovanja ste vredni...cccc,boščki...
sirotki ne veste da so nas že sred 70ih plašil da bo nafte začel zmankvat v začetku 90ih...in da bo 2010 konc nafte....
pa čeprav sem bil še otrok me s tem niso preplašil....se bo že kj pogruntal...in se bo!
ZAGOVORNIKE KOMUNIZMA IN NACIZMA PA V ČUZO!!!!
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Hja,prjatu,če bi ti jaz povedu kako je v Rusiji ,bi bil ti na drugi strani,bi bili naš sovražnik,te sedaj ne bi bilo...
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matt
Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 23:51
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Dober komentar ravnokar na Sky news:
Iranu je dovolj .. hoce pokazat, da je "major player in the region", te pa lutka s katero lahko pometajo. In je jasno sel na quick&easy wins. |
--saj to je bistvo celega bližnjega vzhoda -- kdo, je sposoben uveljavljati lastne interese -- Iran, je velika država, ima nafto, vodo, uran, ljudi in zgodovino, je precej homogen in strateško, najbolj pomemben teritorij, daleč naokoli.... in ne samo to -- Iran ima tudi dolgoročno, najmočnejše zaveznike ( velesile, za l. 2050 ) --- BRIC....tako, da mora pokazati zobe in kazal jih bo še mnogo bolj.... |
to da je fašistična in teokratska te niti ne gane....važn da kao zajebavajo zahod
čeb se pa ena španija šla kj podobnga bi pa skaku do stropa....
če to ni hinavščina.... |
Za tvojo absolutno odsotnost sposobnosti razumevanja sporocila jest ne morem odgovarjat.
Kje vraga vids moje navdusenje? In pizdatimaterna, nehi podtikat.
Jest sm ze zdavnej povedal svoje mnenje: zasral so ze longtajmagou z bedarijo imenovano ajax. Od takrat naprej je bla vsaka poteza napacna. In najvec drek so naredl, ko so z idiotskim gobezdanjem sesul hatamija in v bistvu gor porinl ahmeninedzada. Sori na kurac mi gre njihova zabita aroganca. Bila je ena majhna moznost popravt sranje, pustit da postane scasoa znosna drzava. Ampak noup, zasral zarad svojega ega. prokleti kreteni pofukani.
Problem je v tem, da ce bo kak tomahawk prletu njim na dvorisce in razfukal njihov biznis, bojo oni mel enako pravico parkirat kej podobnega na drugo stran. In ce bojo oni al njihovi zavezniki parkiral kksno granato pomotoma v kako civilno cetrt, bojo oni mel vso pravico parkirat kksnga terija na princess street ravno ko se bo moja familija mem pelala. In jest bi jim moral dat prav.
Menim, da je za svet bolje, da se spet nazaj postavi ravnovesje moci. Hladne vojne je blo konc, bila je priloznost, da se nea s tem sranjem. Ampak nooooup, eni so se mel za zmagoalce in zasral VSE. Prokleti fakerji. Z eskalacijo so polariziral nasprotnike. Matr popizdevam.. VSEM so zasral prihodnost, pickajimmaterna ..pa je v devetdesetih ze tko dobr zgledal (da se razumemo: sranje je tlakoval ze clinton s tem ko je spustu s ketne japije).
Ja. Vazn je, da zajebavajo tiste zahodne idiote, ki bi radi vidl spet mal angelov pravice, krvi in ki ga na roke mecejo ob pogledu na vojasko superiornost.
Ne glede na to, kolk so musliji zoprna druscina, nimamo pravice jih jebat. Ok, jest jih sicer imam, ker sem kot ateist absolutno moralno superioren. Ampak da mi bo se en cats duval pred muslotom? Pliiiz, pejta v peskovnik!
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