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Khm, khm !

Vsako uspešno podjetje potrebuje tudi finance. Najlaže jih pridobi tako , da ustvarja dobiček. Delničarji so pripravljeni vložiti svoj kapital , če vedo , da bodo od tega imeli korist. Udeležba pri dobičku pomeni , da bodo dobili več , kot pa so vložili.
Ko govorimo o Cerkvi in njenem premoženju , ne mislimo na dobiček v finančnem smislu , ampak na zavzetost in podjetnost pri upravljanju z gmotnimi dobrinami v njeno dobro in dobro vseh kristijanov. Določena sredstva so nujno potrebna za zagotavljanje normalnega razvoja in delovanja cerkvenih struktur. Nobena pomembnejša ustanova ali organizacija se dolgoročno ne more vzdrževati samo s prostovoljnim delom svojih članov. Cerkveno premoženje , ki je nastalo iz darov vernikov , predstavlja trajne lastne finančne vire , s katerimi je potrebno skrbno gospodariti. Pregledna uporaba gmotnih sredstev in preudarno gospodarjenje v skupno dobro je osnovni pogoj za večje materialne možnosti in financiranje novih programov.
Evangelijska prilika o gospodarju, ki je , preden se je odpravil na pot, svoje veliko premoženje izročil služabnikom in jim naročil, naj z njim dobro gospodarijo , nam daje slutiti , da si tudi Cerkve in njenega delovanja ne moremo predstavljati brez potrebne podjetnosti in iznajdljivosti. Tiste , ki so njegovo premoženje podvojili , je gospodar pohvalil in nagradil, druge , ki so premoženje samo ohranili , ne pa povečali , pa kaznoval in nagnal v temo.
" Tam bo jok in škripanje z zobmi" ( Mt 25,30 ).
Če sporočilo prilike prenesemo na RKC, vidimo , da se mora tudi ona ravnati v skladu z gospodarsko logiko. Kdor hoče biti uspešen se ne sme predati strahu in nedelu.Če ne bo podjeten in delaven, se bo njegovo življenje končalo v temi. Iz prilike sledi , da gre pri denarju za velike stvari: " V malem si bil zvest, čez veliko te bom postavil. Vstopi v veselje svojega gospodarja" ( Mt 25,21 ).

Lp !

Jap, cobrič- z vsem se strinjam!
ČE bi beseda tekla o PODJETJU.
Sam naj se kurbe podjetniške NEHAJO SKRIVAT ZA KRISTUSOM, pa jih bom pustila pri miru, da jih še pes ne bo pohcal.
Tako pa nekoga, ki je življenje posvetil in dal za (ne glede na to ali je bil Božjega izvora al pa samo navaden človek) POPOLNOMA NASPROTNO IDEOLOGIJO, ki jo terajo sami- ZLORABLJAJO do konca.
S tem se pa ne bom nikoli niti strinjala, niti ne bom tiho okol tega.

Za primer .... moje stališče okol živali dobro poznaš. Predstavljaj si, da nekdo po moji smrti začne zlorabljati "NATAWE" za prodajo krzna npr.
Verjetno bi rotirala v grobu do vekomaj ....

Aja .. pa še to- nisem tolk zabita, da bi verjela, da se da v današnjem času bit čist brez denarja .... sam s 5- 8% ki jih dajo za "dobrodelnost" lahko druge fopajo, ne mene.
Če bi bilo razmerje obratno, se pa dam jutri k njim "prštuklat".

LP! Natawe

tkole bom jz po tvoji smrti začel promovirat krzno pod geslom:

ŠE NATI GA JE NOSILA! Boo hoo!

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Comp

Pridružen/-a: 10.11. 2006, 18:49
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Objavljeno: 18 Jan 2007 15:02 Naslov sporočila: Re: let em rollin....

mala malca je napisal/a:

tkole bom jz po tvoji smrti začel promovirat krzno pod geslom:

ŠE NATI GA JE NOSILA! Boo hoo!

Uaaau,

sej je dobra mrha - s krznom ali brez. Ava

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NATAWE
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Objavljeno: 18 Jan 2007 15:04 Naslov sporočila: Re: let em rollin....

mala malca je napisal/a:

NATAWE je napisal/a:

cobra je napisal/a:

tkole bom jz po tvoji smrti začel promovirat krzno pod geslom:

ŠE NATI GA JE NOSILA! Boo hoo!

Kaj pa bi tudi lahko drugega pričakovala od človeka, ki še besede svojega Boga zataji ???
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Bushi no ichigon!

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NATAWE
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Pridružen/-a: 04.11. 2006, 12:22
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Objavljeno: 18 Jan 2007 15:05 Naslov sporočila: Re: let em rollin....

Comp je napisal/a:

mala malca je napisal/a:

tkole bom jz po tvoji smrti začel promovirat krzno pod geslom:

ŠE NATI GA JE NOSILA! Boo hoo!

Uaaau,

sej je dobra mrha - s krznom ali brez. Ava

Brez boljša- zagotovo. Pomezik

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Ko bo posekano zadnje drevo, zastrupljena zadnja reka, ulovljena zadnja riba, takrat boste spoznali, da denarja ne morete jesti!

Bushi no ichigon!

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mala malca

Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 04:56
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Objavljeno: 18 Jan 2007 15:11 Naslov sporočila: jutri bom pujsa razbil

NATAWE je napisal/a:

mala malca je napisal/a:

NATAWE je napisal/a:

cobra je napisal/a:

tkole bom jz po tvoji smrti začel promovirat krzno pod geslom:

ŠE NATI GA JE NOSILA! Boo hoo!

Kaj pa bi tudi lahko drugega pričakovala od človeka, ki še besede svojega Boga zataji ???

kjeeeeee?

drgač si pa sama ugotovila da sem žleht Dancing

LJUBI SVOJEGA BLIŽNJEGA KAKOR LJUBIŠ SAMEGA SEBE! Boo hoo!

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Hja,prjatu,če bi ti jaz povedu kako je v Rusiji ,bi bil ti na drugi strani,bi bili naš sovražnik,te sedaj ne bi bilo...

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marmije

Pridružen/-a: 07.11. 2006, 18:21
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Objavljeno: 18 Jan 2007 15:28 Naslov sporočila: Re: BOGASTVO VATIKANA

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marmije je napisal/a:

cobra je napisal/a:

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marmije je napisal/a:

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Zdravo

Kdo je lastnik njihove centralne banke.

Za NNja in Bubo - nisem še imel časa pogledat, ampak bom.

VL

vatikansko banko upravlja mednarodna banka CEO -- gdo je pa lastnik, pa samo Bog ve.... Boo hoo!

buba boh te nima rad.

CEO - Chief Executive Officer (in ne mednarodna banka)

Kdo je lastnik Vatikanske banke? - izključno RKC

--prav maš -- sem na brzino prebral v Wikipediji -- matr, ko sem v službi sem res šlampast... holyshit

Če bi Vatikanska banka bila v rokah kakšnih "Money Masters-ev" jo nikoli nebi tožili preživeli iz holokavsta. Namreč oni ŠE NIKOLI niso tožili podjetja ali banke, ki je bila v pravih rokah.......če so pa že slučajno kakšni "svobodni strelci" tožili, so pa od tožbe ODSTOPILI ko jih je v roke vzela ADL.

--ja sem nekje nekaj malega zasledil -- se pa nisem kaj prevec poglabljal -- baje so jih tozil za 1,3 miljarde, pa senkrat sem nasel da so jih tozil za zlato -- btw. -- v wikipedio, me je predvsem nagnal podatoek o banca Ambrosina in skandalu, ko je Italija skoraj bankrotirala --- se mi pa zdi, da kaksnih bolj resnih podatkov ( ala Fed v USA ), nikoli ne bomo dobil....premozenje je tako razprseno in tako globalno, da se ga verjetno niti ne splaca sledit.... Think

Spet si ustrelil kapitalnega bizona. Italija je skoraj bankrotirala zaradi banke Ambrosiana ???

Kar je pred leti pisalo v Mladini ( Alkalaj ) drži skoraj v celoti. Če pa ti misliš da je milijarda ali nekaj milijard dolarjev izgube dost da bankrotira Italija , pol ne veš niti tega , da še Kokoška ne bi bankrotirala , če bi recimo nardila NLB 4 milijarde dolarjev izgub. Jao - svašta !!
Pa o Opus Dei si kaj preber zguba.

http://www.mladina.si/tednik/200040/clanek/opus2/

--ne Cobriček, bil je samo lapsus -- Ambrosiana, je bankrotirala -- in "božji bankir", je bil OBEŠEN, pod Londonskim mostom --- drugače, pa seveda z gnojnico, ki se drugače kliče tudi Italija, res ne more biti nobenih primerjav -- btw. -- a niso vse tožbe proti Berlusconiju, ravno v teh dneh zastarale....toliko o culukafrijah, ki jih tako rad omenjaš ---Slovenija je bila, je in bo barvna televizija, za italijansko mafijsko pol-državo, kar se pravnosti tiče ---

Izjava , da je skoraj bankrotirala Italija že ne more biti lapsus.
Proti Berluski je zastarala samo ena zadeva druge gredo naprej.
Primerjat državo , ki se ukvarja z mafijo že en kup desetletij z novo frišno kot je culukafrija ne vzdrži resne presoje. Ta kokoš je bla zgrajena pred 15 leti. Škandalov sodnih si je pa nabrala , glede na 2 mio kokošarjev tolk , da se res lahko smejiš Italiji. Če te to potolaži. Slaba tolažba.

drugač pa :

The Great Vatican Bank Mystery
Monday, Sep. 13, 1982 By PETER STOLER

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,951806,00.html

OPUS DEI !

Alberto Jaime Berti, 55, a lawyer from Venezuela, gave an interview to the Italian weekly l'Espresso about secret dealings amounting--with interest--to $400 million involving the Institute of Religious Works (IOR, otherwise known as the Vatican Bank), Opus Dei, and the Banco Ambrosiano, which crashed in 1982.

He has also been speaking to Italian magistrates, who take a keen interest in his story. They hope it will throw light on the way Roberto Calvi, head of the Banco Ambrosiano, eluded Italian fiscal and currency controls with the aid of IOR.

The judges also think that Berti's revelations will cast new light on the death of Calvi, found swinging under Blackfriars Bridge, London, June 18, 1982, with a rope around his neck. In Caracas, Venezuela, Berti was the director of Inecclesia, a body set up by the Venezuelan bishops to administer the not inconsiderable patrimony of their church. On the side, and usually at the instigation of the papal nuncio, he invested on behalf of others vouched for by "the highest church authorities."

Thus, for example, early in 1980 a Spanish financier, Luis Baron Mora-Figueroa, came along with the copper-bottomed Vatican recommendations asking him to invest $200 million. Berti swung into action. The money was moved into the Inecclesia account, then switched to a Panamanian shell company, who in turn invested it on the New York Stock Exchange through a firm of brokers.
Advertisement

To maximize the profit the capital had to be invested as though it belonged to a single individual; and none of the six investors could touch the money without the consent of all the others. Profits were divided equally between Inecclesia and the anonymous investors. Berti never knew for whom he was laundering the money.

But he says he has grounds for believing that the Vatican Bank, the Banco Ambrosiano and Opus Dei were all involved. Opus Dei's representative was Jose Maria Ruiz Mateos, president of the Rumasa group. (Opus Dei later broke with Ruiz Mateos and now denies all links with him).

It is known from other sources, that Rumasa's Swiss Bank was the Nordfinanzbank in Zurich, whose managing director, along with four other Opus Dei members, made up the board of the Limmat-Stiftung, another Zurich-based Opus foundation that had links with Opus banks throughout the world and had also invested in Calvi's banco Ambrosiano.

Berti's evidence for Calvi's involvement is that two days before his death in 1982, a desperate Calvi called him from London asking if he could lay hands on the $200 million. Berti reminded him of the rule: Nothing could be touched by an individual member of the group without the consent of all the other members. Calvi said that was no problem. He boasted of his links with IOR and Opus Dei.

When he died two days later, Berti concluded that Calvi couldn't get the others to agree. IOR and Opus Dei dropped him in his hour of need.

Berti does not speculate on whether Calvi's death was suicide or murder. But his evidence suggests that if Calvi felt ruined and desperate, he also knew a lot that could incriminate others. Berti confesses to his laundering function. "Money that passed through Inecclesia," he explained to ADISTA, an Italian news agency, speaking from his London exile, "is safe as houses and no one in Venezuela, either then or now, dares investigate it. The church is absolutely untouchable in Venezuela."

"That was," he went on, "the great advantage, the only advantage. An investigation that tried to trace the origins of the investment would be halted at the portals of Inecclesia. No government would take the church to court."

This is one case for which Archbishop Paul Marcinkus, though involved, is not the main culprit. Berti said he got most of his recommendations from Cardinal Egidio Vagnozzi, former apostolic delegate in Washington, by this time head of APSA (the Administration of the Patrimony of the Holy See) and from Archbishop Giovanni Benelli, whom he mistakenly thinks was Vatican secretary of state and a cardinal.

That is a forgivable error, for Benelli in the 1970s acted as though he were secretary of state, shoving aside the Frenchman, Jean Villot, who had the title.

Of course IOR was involved too, but now it refuses to acknowledge him. Msgr. Donato De Bonis, who retired from the IOR when competent lay professionals took it over, now claims he never knew Berti. Yet he signed many of their documents. And Berti has the key to the safe in the Geneva-based Banque de Paris et des Pays Bas that contains the evidence.

Berti's explanation for De Bono's denial is that he recently left IOR, becoming top chaplain to the Knights of Malta. But the presidium of the knights is regarded as a sovereign state, and the leading knights are like permanent visitors in their offices on the via Condotti, Rome's fashionable shopping street. So they have complete immunity. No one can lay a legal finger on De Bono. Berti thinks this is rather a shrewd jump sideways. It was not an escape route open to Berti who was replaced as head of Inecclesia by Opus Dei Bishop Francisco de Guruccaga, 65, auxiliary of Caracas since 1973.

--seveda je bila lapsus -- ali morda misliš, da bi jaz rekel, da lahko Italija bankrotira --- sicer, pa , sem si malo pogledal vaše ( italijanske ) bilance ---- rast GDP - 0,1 % ; javni dolg - 108,8 % GDP ; fiskalna bilanca - -(minus ) 26,38 miljarde $$$ ; zunanji dolg 922,5 miljarde $$$ ---- jebo te, izgleda, da tale moj lapsus, sploh ni deleč od resnice ---- o mafiji, Vatikanu in njuni prepletenosti z italijansko državo in družbo nasploh, pa raje ne bi -- kaj ne...
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Pridružen/-a: 06.11. 2006, 20:59
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marmije je napisal/a:

cobra je napisal/a:

marmije je napisal/a:

cobra je napisal/a:

marmije je napisal/a:

Watamaro je napisal/a:

marmije je napisal/a:

Watamaro je napisal/a:

marmije je napisal/a:

velikilustrator je napisal/a:

Zdravo

Kdo je lastnik njihove centralne banke.

Za NNja in Bubo - nisem še imel časa pogledat, ampak bom.

VL

vatikansko banko upravlja mednarodna banka CEO -- gdo je pa lastnik, pa samo Bog ve.... Boo hoo!

buba boh te nima rad.

CEO - Chief Executive Officer (in ne mednarodna banka)

Kdo je lastnik Vatikanske banke? - izključno RKC

--prav maš -- sem na brzino prebral v Wikipediji -- matr, ko sem v službi sem res šlampast... holyshit

--ne Cobriček, bil je samo lapsus -- Ambrosiana, je bankrotirala -- in "božji bankir", je bil OBEŠEN, pod Londonskim mostom --- ače, pa seveda z gnojnico, ki se ače kliče tudi Italija, res ne more biti nobenih primerjav -- btw. -- a niso vse tožbe proti Berlusconiju, ravno v teh dneh zastarale....toliko o culukafrijah, ki jih tako rad omenjaš ---Slovenija je bila, je in bo barvna televizija, za italijansko mafijsko pol-državo, kar se pravnosti tiče ---

Izjava , da je skoraj bankrotirala Italija že ne more biti lapsus.
Proti Berluski je zastarala samo ena zadeva e gredo naprej.
Primerjat državo , ki se ukvarja z mafijo že en kup desetletij z novo frišno kot je culukafrija ne vzdrži resne presoje. Ta kokoš je bla zgrajena pred 15 leti. Škandalov sodnih si je pa nabrala , glede na 2 mio kokošarjev tolk , da se res lahko smejiš Italiji. Če te to potolaži. Slaba tolažba.

drugač pa :

The Great Vatican Bank Mystery
Monday, Sep. 13, 1982 By PETER STOLER

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,951806,00.html

OPUS DEI !

Alberto Jaime Berti, 55, a lawyer from Venezuela, gave an interview to the Italian weekly l'Espresso about secret dealings amounting--with interest--to $400 million involving the Institute of Religious Works (IOR, otherwise known as the Vatican Bank), Opus Dei, and the Banco Ambrosiano, which crashed in 1982.

He has also been speaking to Italian magistrates, who take a keen interest in his story. They hope it will throw light on the way Roberto Calvi, head of the Banco Ambrosiano, eluded Italian fiscal and currency controls with the aid of IOR.

The judges also think that Berti's revelations will cast new light on the of Calvi, found swinging under Blackfriars Bridge, London, June 18, 1982, with a rope around his neck. In Caracas, Venezuela, Berti was the director of Inecclesia, a body set up by the Venezuelan bishops to administer the not inconsiderable patrimony of their church. On the side, and usually at the instigation of the papal nuncio, he invested on behalf of others vouched for by "the highest church authorities."

Thus, for example, early in 1980 a Spanish financier, Luis Baron Mora-Figueroa, came along with the copper-bottomed Vatican recommendations asking him to invest $200 million. Berti swung into action. The money was moved into the Inecclesia account, then switched to a Panamanian shell company, who in turn invested it on the New York Stock Exchange through a firm of brokers.
Advertisement

To maximize the profit the capital had to be invested as though it belonged to a single individual; and none of the six investors could touch the money without the consent of all the others. Profits were divided equally between Inecclesia and the anonymous investors. Berti never knew for whom he was laundering the money.

But he says he has grounds for believing that the Vatican Bank, the Banco Ambrosiano and Opus Dei were all involved. Opus Dei's representative was Jose Maria Ruiz Mateos, president of the Rumasa group. (Opus Dei later broke with Ruiz Mateos and now denies all links with him).

It is known from other sources, that Rumasa's Swiss Bank was the Nordfinanzbank in Zurich, whose managing director, along with four other Opus Dei members, made up the board of the Limmat-Stiftung, another Zurich-based Opus foundation that had links with Opus banks throughout the world and had also invested in Calvi's banco Ambrosiano.

Berti's evidence for Calvi's involvement is that two days before his in 1982, a desperate Calvi called him from London asking if he could lay hands on the $200 million. Berti reminded him of the rule: Nothing could be touched by an individual member of the group without the consent of all the other members. Calvi said that was no problem. He boasted of his links with IOR and Opus Dei.

When he died two days later, Berti concluded that Calvi couldn't get the others to agree. IOR and Opus Dei dropped him in his hour of need.

Berti does not speculate on whether Calvi's was or . But his evidence suggests that if Calvi felt ruined and desperate, he also knew a lot that could incriminate others. Berti confesses to his laundering function. "Money that passed through Inecclesia," he explained to ADISTA, an Italian news agency, speaking from his London exile, "is safe as houses and no one in Venezuela, either then or now, dares investigate it. The church is absolutely untouchable in Venezuela."

"That was," he went on, "the great advantage, the only advantage. An investigation that tried to trace the origins of the investment would be halted at the portals of Inecclesia. No government would take the church to court."

This is one case for which Archbishop Paul Marcinkus, though involved, is not the main culprit. Berti said he got most of his recommendations from Cardinal Egidio Vagnozzi, former apostolic delegate in Washington, by this time head of APSA (the Administration of the Patrimony of the Holy See) and from Archbishop Giovanni Benelli, whom he mistakenly thinks was Vatican secretary of state and a cardinal.

That is a forgivable error, for Benelli in the 1970s acted as though he were secretary of state, shoving aside the Frenchman, Jean Villot, who had the title.

Of course IOR was involved too, but now it refuses to acknowledge him. Msgr. Donato De Bonis, who retired from the IOR when competent lay professionals took it over, now claims he never knew Berti. Yet he signed many of their documents. And Berti has the key to the safe in the Geneva-based Banque de Paris et des Pays Bas that contains the evidence.

Berti's explanation for De Bono's denial is that he recently left IOR, becoming top chaplain to the Knights of Malta. But the presidium of the knights is regarded as a sovereign state, and the leading knights are like permanent visitors in their offices on the via Condotti, Rome's fashionable shopping street. So they have complete immunity. No one can lay a legal finger on De Bono. Berti thinks this is rather a shrewd jump sideways. It was not an escape route open to Berti who was replaced as head of Inecclesia by Opus Dei Bishop Francisco de Guruccaga, 65, auxiliary of Caracas since 1973.

Počas bom začel verjet , da imaš tam nekje okol 30 let. Italija vleče javni dolg že od po first great war. Tolk. Drgač pa. Jaz se bolj zanesem na penzijo 60 milijonske države , kot pa od 2 milijonske culukafrije!
Si že slišal , da se je kdaj v zgodovini zgodilo , da je 60 milijonska država razglasila bankrot ???
Je pa bla Srbija zlo blizu temu pred leti. So vagal kaj je bolje - bankrot ali plačevat pufe za Slobotom ??
Mislim , da so se napačno odločili . sej zato so pa tam kjer zdej so.
Drgač pa. Si podeben cigotu , ki je videl medveda kako ga pikajo čebele in si je sam pri sebi mislu. Bebo - kaj pa ne ukradeš meda Marmijeju!!!!!
BTW - a zdej pa nisi čist nič zaspan ????
Za kolk ste Telekom culukafrije kupil Telekom Republike srpske ????
Ali Telekom Federtacije BH ???

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